Photos and interview by Joe Madrigal.

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What have you been up to lately?

I’ve been making some music, making art, and skating for the most part.

I like pieces you’ve been putting on your IG. What would you say your sound is like?

I don’t know, I just make music because it’s something I’m interested in, art too. It’s something I think is cool and I want to experiment with just doing it. The same way with skating, I think it’s fun to experiment with.

Did you take any classes in school for music or art at all?

I took a photography class for digital cameras but I only had a film camera. My school had a darkroom though, so my teacher taught me one-on-one how to make prints.

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That’s dope, I feel like that’s better than the digital class. Where did you go to school at?

In Edmund, Oklahoma. It’s basically Oklahoma City.

How was it growing up there?

It was weird. It was cool though, I had my group of friends and we’d always be skating and filming each other.

Have you lived anywhere else besides Oklahoma?

Yeah I lived with Chris (Athans) for a while in Texas, and then I moved to Austin for a year before I came here.

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What made you want to move to SF?

I was supposed to be in SF before I moved to Austin but my plans fell through so I just stayed in Austin with this girl. I visited during that time because everyone had moved here from Texas. I missed everyone so much so it made the most sense to just move.

I feel that, I’m glad you live here now. Do you like it?

Yeah I do. It’s still weird for me, but I’m glad all my friends are here.

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Who are some of your influences that inspire you?

I really like watching Josh McLaughlin skate and Eddy (Claire). Ed’s been influencing me a lot. Neil Blender too. But when I was younger I really liked he New Blood video, and obsessed over Tincan Folklore and A Visual Sound. Lee Yankou as well. Also it makes no sense, but at the time Ryan Sublette was my favorite skater.

That’s crazy cause that was my favorite skater back then as well. That Boyish part was one of my favorites.

Boyish was my favorite part, the song and everything about that part was the best. The one with the Ryuichi Sakamoto track is amazing as well. I got really into that person because of that part. He’s still one of my favorite skaters.

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Do you like his music as well?

I love his music, I loved everything about him. Jake Johnson and Rob Dyrdek in Memory Screen, I really liked that too. Learning about Dinosaur Jr. and all that stuff made me want to make music and videos. I really liked Let’s Live, and Pyramid Country videos as well. Oh, and Matt King! Bro I was so into that shit, Hoephase was the one that made me want to get a camera and start making videos. I related to those videos, Nagajoose and Giant Spider, they made sense to me.

Have you been filming a lot lately?

I’ve been filming with phones and stuff. That question is weird because we always film, but I wish all of it could go together. I feel like you can film anything with whatever you got and make it look good. But I’ve been filming with Eddy lately for the most part.

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Is the phone the main camera of choice right now?

I strategically use my phone, it’s a $30 phone. I think it looks cool, it has an aesthetic to it. Just like a VHS or a VX, they have a look to them. It’s not super clear like an iPhone, it’s a little jagged, but I like it.

Do you feel like if someone was recording you on your phone skating, that would be the best was to portray yourself?

I think the best was to portray someone is if you have a vision for it, like Zach Chamberlin. You tell him what you’re going to do and he already has an idea of how it’s going to look, he’s very calculated. Or like how you shoot photos. you see a trick and then you get a vision of how you’re going to capture it. Anyone that has that vision is going to be the best portraying someone.

Any obligatory shout outs?

Shout out to you, Monster energy, Alex G, and whoever shot the photos for the interview with you. Thanks!

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